Peter’s (Race) Pacer 69

69 thoughts on “Peter’s (Race) Pacer”

1. Reply Frank Vieren Mar 8,2017 12:34

   Great feature, but nevertheless due to GPS error I was mislead and almost missed my new PB on my latest marathon race.

2. Reply Frank Vieren Mar 8,2017 12:36

   PS, it was not your implementation I used 🙁

3. Reply Peter Mar 8,2017 12:53

   That’s why Peter’s (Race) Pacer is so great, it takes GPS errors completely out of the equation as you can sync your watch with the race distance at each mile/kilometer marker 🙂

4. Reply John Maton May 30,2017 06:14

   Excellent. The synchronisation with KM markers is just what I had been looking for. Would love to donate, but PayPal requires that I set up an account with them – something that I will not do. Any other way to donate?

5. Reply Peter May 30,2017 07:16

   hi John, glad you like my app!
   Alan had a while ago a similar question, I made this page for him http://starttorun.info/about/ If you use this donation button you don’t need to create an account and you can directly use your credit card or visa.

   • Reply John Maton May 30,2017 20:16

     Thanks for that – done!

6. Reply Espen Jun 14,2017 10:40

   Thank you! This is what ive been looking for! I will test it today and during 10K race this weekend and donate.
   I usually do it the “manual” way, Put datafield with LAPS, AVERAGE LAP and manual lap every KM. Then AVERAGE LAP will give me correct pace but I still need to calculate how far im behind etc.

   I have a idea for a NEW app, and it should be pretty easy to build based on Peters Race Pacer.

   Its a app for indoor track running (or running some other place you cant use GPS)

   Example: In Oslo, Norway, we have a indoor track which is 546meters one lap.

   Settings for the app should be like “How long is the track?”

   Every time you run a track and press LAP it should calculate distance. DISNTACE = DISTANCE + 546m, or just like 546m * LAPS.

   And one field for last pace. If you run a round in 2:11 it will be 4:00 pace (2:11 for 546meters = 4:00 pace). This is harder for people to calculate on the fly.

   This app would also be pretty usefull for outdoor track running, Since the watch always know that a LAP press = 400m.

   So the app is just like Petes Pacer WITHOUT GPS =)

   Just an idea for a new app! =)

   • Reply Peter Jun 14,2017 13:54

     added it to my todo list, no promises though as I can’t keep up: there’s more inflow than outflow 🙂

     good luck with your upcoming race. 😉

7. Reply Tomas Jun 19,2017 10:04

   Peter’s (Race) Pacer totally saved me on the Copenhagen Marathon.

   During the last couple of training runs prior to the race, my Fenix 5x had an issue with the GPS and repeatedly got both pace and distance (and GPS trace) wrong. So on race day I didn’t trust the expensive watch. But with Peter’s (race) Pacer I knew that I could get a reliable lap time every official 1km, and that allowed me to pace myself successfully and beat my PR by over 10 minutes.

   Brilliant tool!

   • Reply Peter Jun 19,2017 12:43

     Thanks for the kind words Tomas. And big congrats on beating your pr! Way To go!

8. Reply Harald Jul 25,2017 06:37

   Hi Peter, thanks for implementing the idea of readjusting the distance run by pressing a button at the distance markers. I suggested this idea to Garmin about 2 years ago, with no reaction whatsoever. I have no ConnectIQ capable watch yet (“only” a FR620) but if I ever will, this app will be mine!

   I also own a FR610 with a footpod, and followed fellrnr’s recommendation to calibrate the footpod, but still found it less accurate than the GPS distance measurement (pace round value).

   Honestly, I sometimes do not believe the accuracy of the mile markers… I’ve seen GPS vs. mile markers off by more than 300 meters during a marathon, and yet the overall distance was accurate by less than than in the finish. Hmmm…

   • Reply Peter Jul 25,2017 07:09

     hi Harald,
     I couldn’t miss the app anymore. 🙂
     I don’t know how I raced all those years before I wrote the app, well I do, it was doing a lot of math along the way… all way long. 🙂

     • Reply Harald Jul 26,2017 06:37

       By the way do you also adjust the pace reading according to the adjusted distance measurement? Say, if you hit the lap button after 950 meters (for a km), is the pace (average) corrected by -5%? If you do this again and again during a long run, the readjusted pace average should be quite precise, without having to calibrate a footpod or buying an expensive Stryd. Alternatively, since the app calculates the corrected distance anyway, the correction factor is a simple division. Both makes sense – for example if you run the NYCM, you change from Brooklyn which is quite open and GPS friendly, to downtown Manhattan, where GPS coverage isn’t so good and you tend to cut buildings 😉

       The screen could still display the GPS pace in one of the data fields if one so wishes.

       • Reply Peter Jul 26,2017 06:50

         all data (including pace, avg pace, eta, etc…) is recalculated on the fly based on the adjusted distance.

         • Reply Harald Jul 31,2017 09:57

           BTW any plans to integrate / display pace from footpod, like the “Foot Pod Pace” data field? Momentary pace from footpod plus distance correction by mile marker, that would be killer!

9. Reply Peter Jul 31,2017 10:58

   For direct ant connections i don’t have enough memory left but if you pair the footpod with your watch it should already use that as the source for speed.

10. Reply raz Aug 4,2017 14:05

    great app i just donated !!

    Thx

11. Reply Harald Aug 12,2017 16:22

    Hi Peter, it’s me again. I just ran a 10k race (Straßenlauf Dachau, https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1911456331) and the data field helped me control my pace just fine – but.

    I had set auto lap to on, which may have confused the data field. I’ll switch it off next time. I must have missed this somewhere in the description. I used the Garmin footpod for instant pace, and the pace field was off by circa +10 sec all the time (between 3:55 and 4:10 min/km, where my overall average was 4:15). Instant pace was useless, but the “behind/ahead” field saved the race. Question: was the pace recalculation confused by auto lap? In some cases, auto lap counted a lap about 2 seconds before a km mark…

    Anyway: Great work, Peter, and I’ll donate in a minute. (y)

    • Reply Peter Aug 12,2017 18:34

      Hi harald,

      As long as the auto lapsize is equal to the lapsize set in the settings this should give no problem (on my own races I also set autolap on).
      I don’t influence the current pace, I just take over whatever value the connect iq framework passes on to me. But I’m sure you noticed that I offer other options for pace: avg pace, lap pace, smoothened pace, perhaps one of those will suit you better, the first two take the adjusted distance into account.
      Behind/Ahead field is also based on the adjusted distance, the behind/ahead field is the field I look at the most when I race and is one of the reasons I created the race pacer spinoff which I’ve named Peter’s Ahead Timer ( https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/5751dbc6-40ab-425a-8ca4-e3afdd10eddf ).
      … I know it’s a poorly chosen name (I couldn’t think of something better 🙂 )

12. Reply John Evers Aug 30,2017 21:39

    Question: my aim is to run 150 km during a 24 hour run. Will this help me? Also my laps will be 934.8 meters. I guess that is not going to help?

    • Reply Peter Aug 31,2017 04:16

      Hi John,
      You can set the target distance to 150k (150000 meters) and target finish time to 24:00:00, then you should see at any point in the race in both ETA and ahead/behind time how you’re holding up against the schedule (of course during a long race like that you’ll have eating and hygiene breaks so you’ll need to build up a little bit of ahead time to cater for that)

      The lap size can not be a float value in Peter’s (Race) Pacer so instead of 934.8 you would have to set it to 935 meter, so that’ll give about 400 meter of difference at the end of the day, but the distance will be more correct than what GPS distance can give you. If you account this for in your target distance (set it a little bit higher) the ahead/behind time should be able to guide you to your goal.

      I would recommend to turn autolap off and to manual lap only when you start a new lap (you don’t have to do this each lap).

      Either way try the field out before race day to train with it and good luck with your race.

      Cheers,
      Peter

13. Reply John Evers Aug 31,2017 14:39

    Great Instructions.

    Just some questions as I did a demo “run” (sitting behind my desk).
    1) I managed to install and used 09:35 min/km (there was no field for target finish time…).
    Right?

    2) Also, I faked a run and of course as I was just sitting behind my desk I was “behind” immediately. So I cheated and pressed the lap (935 m) button a few times. But I suppose your app did not take it as it was outside any reasonable margin since I had not moved?

    3) Last question: I will test it and so far it looks good, but what about 45+ runners with poor reading sight like me? Any chance to have an app with less fields, e.g. just “behind” or “a

14. Reply John Evers Aug 31,2017 14:47

    3b) e.g. just “behind” or “ETA”. Extra beers in exchange…

    4) I know I should read the manual but I am lazy… Let’s say Garmin believes I ran 930 meters, but the lap really was 935 and I lapped manually. Does this mean the values of Garmin will be “corrected” or does you App distance then deviate from Garmin?

15. Reply John Evers Aug 31,2017 18:10

    Did another run. So some questions answered I guess:
    1) I assume so.
    2) I tested this and when I was close to a lap it would the difference, if I was far off it would not. That is according to design I assume.
    3) ?
    4) I believe not as the test showed a discrepancy as per design I assume.

16. Reply John Evers Aug 31,2017 18:17

    By the way…I have been looking for this functionality (i.e. combination of ETA, lap adjustment, behind/ahead) for years. Perfect if you run long distances that consist out of many laps.

17. Reply Peter Aug 31,2017 19:00

    Hi John

    The lap button corrects to the nearest distance so if your lap size is 935 and you only did a few meters it will always correct downwards (since you’re not over halfway yet)

    An app for people with poor reading eye sight and the same pacer functionality? I already got you covered, I’m running way behind on documentation, but I already made such app, I’ve named it “Peter’s (Hi Vis) Pacer”. This app can be found here: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/5751dbc6-40ab-425a-8ca4-e3afdd10eddf

    When you press the lap button the distance in Peter’s (Race) Pacer is corrected, but this will not affect the real gps distance you have covered. The distance reported after the fact will always be the gps distance, but during running you see the adjusted distance. (In your example the gps distance will remain 930m, while the data field will report 935m).

    Cheers,
    Peter.

18. Reply Hans-Dieter Sep 9,2017 21:26

    Hi!

    Today I bought an FR935 and tried to install Peter´s (Race) Pacer – unfortunately unsuccessfully.
    On the FR935 it´s software/firmware version 5.4 and Garmin Express says that it´s the newest version & everything is up to date.
    However, when trying to install the data fields/app Peter´s (Race) Pacer (version 4.1) it get this message: This app requires an update of your Forerunner 935. Please use Garmin Express to update your Forerunner 935.
    -> Garmin Express states that all is updated.
    What shall I do?
    Hans-Dieter

    • Reply Peter Sep 9,2017 21:31

      hi Hans,
      This is a problem with Garmin Connect Mobile. Things that help to solve this issue (try them in this order):
      – shut down your fr935 (long press power button) and start it up again
      – unpair your mobile device and do the pairing again
      – if the above still didn’t help then the final option is to do a factory reset of your device (via the system menu) (this will wipe all user settings from the device so be sure to sync your activities to garmin connect first)
      Cheers,
      Peter.

19. Reply Marty Oct 5,2017 03:47

    Hi Peter,

    Awesome app. Few quick questions;

    1) I have a Fenix 3 HR. I prefer to use the “data field” rather than the “app”, because it gives me access to other data fields. Am I correct in assuming the only things missing compared to the “app” (because the Fenix 3 HR has low memory) is the pre-race screen, and the ability to write the historical data to the FIT file?

    2) Any plans to implement negative splits in the future? Example is “Race Pacer”. Should be relatively straight forward to implement; just apply a linear factor to the pace target based on position through total race distance.

    3) What happens if my watch gets a massive spike and is effectively 600m out (with auto lap set to 1.0km). Let’s say true total distance is 1km, but Garmin recorded total distance is 1.6km. When I press “lap” button, will your app round up to 2km? If so, is there anyway to fix this? (hopefully such a large GPS spike never occurs).

    • Reply Peter Oct 5,2017 10:00

      Hi Marty,

      Thanks!

      1/ I understand, I prefer the data field version myself too. Because the data field on CIQ1.x only has 16k memory I can not include all features there, but I’ve included the most important ones: all essential features are in there. The features not available in the CIQ1.x data field version are: pre-race screen, record ahead time to the FIT file, the ability to specify the target finish time or target speed (you have to specify the target as target pace), less data field options: no cadence, power, lap speed, lap time.

      2/ Yes, but it will be a different app.

      3/ The lap button rounds off to the nearest lap size multiple, so 1.6 would round to 2k. I’ve never experienced such a situation as you describe but if such a situation would present itself the only way to fix it would be to fix it gradually in the coming kilometers, eg wait till 2.4k and push the button and then at the 3k point marker correct the distance again.

      Cheers,
      Peter.

    • Reply Peter Mar 19,2018 03:38

      The app Peter’s Negative Split is now available from the Connect IQ store: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/9c2a990e-d443-430c-adbd-46a0ef12da35

20. Reply Gareth Oct 7,2017 08:43

    Hi Peter

    I’ve just received a new 230 and am still quite unfamiliar with it.
    However, I realised to my disappointment that Garmin did not include the Virtual Trainer that I loved from my previous 620.
    Your appears to fix this.
    However, it appears the 230 lacks the initial screen (presumably due to lack of memory), however I cannot see a way of configuring the distance and desired race pace. Can you add some more detail?

    Regards
    Gareth

    • Reply Peter Oct 7,2017 12:50

      Hi Gareth,
      The distance and target pace is something you need to configure via the application settings. This tutorial explains how to do that: https://forums.garmin.com/forum/developers/connect-iq/connect-iq-showcase/115055-how-to-app-settings

      If you want to have the initial screen on the 230 you can use the “application” version (I have more memory available in that mode), the app version can be found here: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/ea97af1f-1e5d-4541-820c-9bd994080d4c

      Cheers,
      Peter.

21. Reply Julien Oct 10,2017 09:58

    Hi Peter,

    I relly like this app.
    Question: what is the difference between
    pace, smooth pace (5s average), smooth pace (10s average) as i would like to see the most realistic pace on the creen

    • Reply Peter Oct 10,2017 10:34

      hi Julien,

      Pace = current pace that the watch is reporting.
      Smooth Pace = averaged paced over the last x seconds

      So the smooth pace can be used to even out gps instabilities.

      Cheers,
      Peter.

22. Reply Dirk Kietzmann Oct 17,2017 18:25

    Hi Peter,
    that should be a very good app for my first marathon.
    But i´ve a little Problem….
    I use the Forerunner 235.
    I get the display as on the first picture not to see
    (Display before starting the race).
    Is it possible to set the target time in hh:mm:ss or only in
    pace in min/km ?
    Why can I not sho on the top Middle the Lap-Pace ??
    I can´t choose that…….

    • Reply Peter Oct 17,2017 18:34

      Hi Dirk,

      the 235 is a connect iq 1 device, I’m quite limited in memory on those devices (only 16k) so I have to strip some functionality from these devices (such as the initial screen, removing lap pace, setting the target finish time,..) to allow the data field to actually run…

      There is a solution for all that though, you can use the “app version” of the field, downloadable here: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/ea97af1f-1e5d-4541-820c-9bd994080d4c

      Cheers,
      Peter.

      • Reply Dirk Kietzmann Oct 17,2017 19:03

        Oh great !!
        But one thing is still missing in Peter´s Pacer…..
        Round-Pace……

        • Reply Peter Oct 17,2017 19:27

          Thats there too it’s called smooth pace

          Cheers
          Peter

          • Reply Dirk Kietzmann Oct 22,2017 11:14

            Smooth Pace (Speed), in what for Unit ist this ?
            min/km or min/mile (km/h or mpH).
            It shows numbers between 5.1 and 5.9…… (at Smooth Speed)

          • Reply Peter Oct 22,2017 11:33

            It depends on the settings you have set on your watch to be either statute or metric. Speed is either in km/h or mile/h, pace is either in min/km or min/mile.

            Cheers,
            Peter.

23. Reply Another Peter Oct 18,2017 18:27

    Hi, i donated but forgot to mention that it was for the race pacer. Used the same mail as below.

    Peter

24. Reply Tabs Nov 12,2017 21:22

    Hi. Thanks for app.
    In my opinion the app need One more configurable field. Maybe in timer slot.
    And the top and bottom fields a Little bigger.
    This app is the near ti perfection

    • Reply Peter Nov 12,2017 21:57

      hi,
      I don’t have enough memory available to import a custom font, so I have to work with the available system fonts (I can’t make these bigger, they are as they are).
      What would you place instead of the timer field?
      Cheers,
      Peter

25. Reply Tabs Nov 13,2017 07:03

    Hi.
    Thanks for explanation.
    For use of many people the timer is less important of other field.
    For example sometimes i don’t see the last lap time when the Watch show It and After some second/minute i want know it and i must search in other screen.
    The true is the original screen give us 4 configurable fields, your app 7 field so is fantastic!but only 3 are configurable, so 1 field less then original and for someone is a Little imperfection.

    • Reply Peter Nov 13,2017 13:31

      I can see the advantage of a lap time while doing interval training, but I can’t see the use of this while racing and I would like to keep this field race-focused. I will likely release a more general field with the same layout though, so that may be more suitable for your use case.

26. Reply Fabio Nov 18,2017 04:14

    Hi Peter, great app!

    is it possible to have the pace value in the top center a little bigger?
    It would be great to have the first line with just two fields, with peace and “behind” fileds more visible.

    I don’t care about the timer…

    Fabio.

    • Reply Peter Nov 18,2017 05:32

      Thanks Fabio.

      I don’t have enough memory to import a custom font and the system fonts are as they are, I can’t increase the pixel size of those, so it’s unfortunately not possible to change this. For the same reason it’s also not possible to define alternative layouts (takes memory too, which is simply not available)

      Have you looked at Peter’s (Hi Vis) Pacer, in this app you can show 2 (or 3) fields, the top field can be a field carousel. Store link is here: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/5751dbc6-40ab-425a-8ca4-e3afdd10eddf

      Cheers,
      Peter.

27. Reply Colin Sainsbury Feb 24,2018 16:03

    Just donated but forgot to mention Peter’s race pacer – thanks for all your hard work

28. Reply Stefan Mar 10,2018 08:04

    Hi, used the datafield today for the first time and tried to use the distance calibration by using the round button. Seems that in my case it doesn’t work well…..distance was not recalibrated. Do I need to switch off the autolap?

    regards
    Stefan

29. Reply Peter Mar 10,2018 08:39

    The round button? Are you using a vivoactive3? Manual Laps are taken by double tapping on that device (and you also need to enable Manual Laps in the run settings first.

30. Reply Stefan Mar 10,2018 19:57

    using a fr935…think it works well now. install a 2nd time an it looks good.
    AutoLap of the FR can be active,altough by using the lap button for recalibrate the distance, right?

    • Reply Peter Mar 10,2018 20:02

      Correct, you can leave auto lap on. Just make sure the lap size in the app settings of Peter’s (Race) Pacer matches the auto lap size on your watch. (if you autolap by 1k set 1000 meter in app settings, if autolapping every mile set 1609 meter in app settings).

      Manual lap will apply distance correction.

31. Reply Emily Mar 19,2018 01:37

    Hi Peter,
    Great data field. Tested it out last weekend. Is the “Ahead” and “behind” time by pace or total estimated time?

    • Reply Peter Mar 19,2018 02:55

      Thanks Emily 🙂
      Ahead/Behind time is the total deviation compared to the expected target time when you run at the expected pace. Eg when your target is to run 10k in 1 hour (6min/km; 10k/h) and you are currently at the 5k point in 29:55 then you are 5 seconds ahead.

32. Reply Emily Mar 19,2018 01:42

    Also, what is the difference between “Average Pace,” “Perfect Pace” and “Pace”? I saw what “Smooth Pace”is above. The default set up has average pace and pace visible. Just curious what the benefit is if the other fields.

    Thank you

    • Reply Peter Mar 19,2018 03:01

      pace = current speed in minutes/km or minutes/mile
      average pace = average speed in minutes/km or minutes/mile
      perfect pace = minimum pace you need to maintain to reach the finish for you target time. Eg when your target is to run 10k in 1 hour and you are currently at the 5k point in 29:55 then the perfect pace will be 6:01
      (as you built up 5 seconds ahead time you can run 1 second slower each kilometer and still reach the finish within your desired finish time)

33. Reply Michel Mar 22,2018 00:30

    I’m the owner of a Fenix3 watch. As I push on the LAP button the screen turns into analogic clock watch face. Can you help me?

    • Reply Peter Mar 22,2018 09:36

      hi Michel,

      I don’t have a fenix 3 watch, but we’ll try to figure out what’s going wrong.

      Can you do the following and give me feedback about each of the bullet points:
      1/ Connect your device with usb to your computer and check for error logs. There’s a potential one in the root of the device called err_log.txt and one in the folder \apps\logs\ciq_log.txt.
      2/ Can you remove the Peter’s (Race) Pacer data field and then push the lap button. What happens now?
      3/ Can you uninstall Peter’s (Race) Pacer, re-download Peter’s (Race) Pacer, assign it back to the run activity profile and push the lap button. What happens now?

      The log files could be big so probably best to send these to my email address peterddmail@gmail.com

34. Reply Michel Mar 22,2018 18:58

    Finally I found the problem. I created a new “activity” that I called “race” and it appears that when you create a new activity, the activation of the LAP BUTTON is automaticaly set to FALSE. 😉 Thanks

35. Reply Maike Apr 2,2018 09:26

    My garmin 235 pauses the run when I have my stops during a run. Will the race pacer keep this into account and use the total time including the time I paused, or will it affect the perfect pace indication and the time ahead/behind?

    • Reply Peter Apr 2,2018 13:04

      It might work together with the autopause option, but I’m not sure. This data field is really meant for races, where having the autopause option set is not very relevant (the race clock does not pause when you stop). I would recommend copying the Run Activity profile to a Race activity profile where you disable the autopause option.

36. Reply Maike Apr 2,2018 09:32

    Another question:
    Doing the configuration in Garmin Express, the dropdown menu under Target Type is only showing Target Pace, nothing else (and I would like to use Target Time).

    • Reply Peter Apr 2,2018 13:06

      The forerunner 235 has only 16kb available in data field mode which is not sufficient to enable all functionality, so I had to strip a few things out in that mode… You can run the field in application mode though to have all functionality of the data field + more: https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/ea97af1f-1e5d-4541-820c-9bd994080d4c

37. Reply Sandile Apr 9,2018 15:45

    Hi Peter,

    I will be running a 90Km and I am planing to run it in 10Hrs, how do I input/set these values, I have an app running in my devise, how to tell my watch that I will be running 90 Km? Please explain me step by step because I desperate need your app, it is exactly what I bought this watch for. I went through your description but I dont get it, on the start line what must I do, you spoke about the LAPs how does that feature in the distance that I need to run? please assist

    • Reply Peter Apr 9,2018 16:53

      set the following in the settings of the app:
      – target distance: custom
      – custom distance: 90000
      – target type: target finish time
      – target pace: 10:00:00
      – lap size: set this the same size as your autolap size on your watch (1000 if 1k autolap, 1609 if 1mile autolap)

      I’d suggest you train with the app before taking it to the race.

38. Reply Tom Shackelford May 10,2018 14:45

    Hi Peter,

    How do I update the Target Pace and Distance on the watch? I have the 735xt and want to be able to make those changes from the watch if possible, as I will be running varying distances throughout any given week. Is the only way to do it through Garmin Express?

    • Reply Peter May 10,2018 14:54

      On Watch configuration is not possible for data fields.
      Next to Garmin Express you can also change the settings via Garmin Connect Mobile on your phone (but you need to be connected to the internet, a Garmin restriction…), see the how to app settings here: https://forums.garmin.com/forum/developers/connect-iq/connect-iq-showcase/115055-how-to-app-settings

39. Reply rémi nfkb Jun 9,2018 12:06

    Hello

    I’m training for an Ironman.

    Do you have feedback of people having use the app during an Ironman ? what’s the impact of the app on the battery ? I expect to do the IM in 12 hours with a running part of 4 hours. Do you think the Forerunner 935 will stand it ?

    Thanks